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cefleet
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« on: September 02, 2008, 09:41:46 PM »

I will start like many others have buy saying it was fun, I learned so much, made plenty of mistakes, and I really want to peruse this career so you will probably be annoyed with my extensive list of questions on future post  Wink :

So I will start with the setup and the equipment:
The bride was a friend of mine since middle school and she was just planning on not having any photography or videography and I told her that I would do it at cost for me.. essentially free. Then my wife gave the same offer to do photography (she is a talented but not pro photographer). I lost my best cameraman Sad, but had a photographer that I knew I could work with Smiley.
I had 3 camera:
1 pro-sumer mini dv : cannon xl2
1 mini dv:      cannon optura 40
1 hi 8:          sony DCR-TRV140

This was a small wedding in the living room of the couple. There were 20 guest and 25 people total including the officiant, my wife and I and the couple.
my first trouble was getting proper white balance on the xl2. (the "handy cams" were left to auto or indoors because there were no white balance features) The whole wedding was in front of a window with white shades. The couple was standing directly under an incandescent light, and there was a fan with 4 incandescent lights hanging in the middle of the room with 8ft ceilings.  so it was a struggle to get my back camera (optura) to not have a light spike down the middle.
there was a curtain on the right side of the room to shut off the living room from the kitchen so I was able to put my tripod behind the curtain and have the camera peak out (sony).  I had the xl2 shoulder mounted, and the bride and groom were fine with me being aggressive in trying to get the shots I wanted.

We showed up the day before and had an interview with the couple in their home. And my wife and I actually helped them move out furniture and set up the living room. (I'm hoping that will not become a tradition in my videography career)
Even though we spent the day with the bride and groom, I will say that we started our day at 3:00pm with the wedding at 5:00pm. We were able to get some good shots of the bride getting ready and the hop over and shot the groom getting ready.
at around 4:50 I started recording on all of the cameras and had a kid  go to the front and count down for me with his fingers.. this was so when editing I can line up the timing better.. if i had all xl2s I could do this automatically. There probably is a better way to line the clips up.. but at the time of this writing I do not know of any. but I digress. From that point on I left all of the cameras recording.
There was not really any processions. The groom came in with the officiant and then the bride cam down to a very condensed version of fur elise. I got her with the xl2 as she came down the stairs and as she went to her dad, I then quickly went to the place she was going to be standing and filmed her coming down the isle. I was depending on the Sony for the time that I was moving out of the brides way, but the M.O.G. decided that it was better to stand 4 feet in front of her chair in order to be in the way of that camera. So I will have to do something ...creative there.
The officiant forgot to tell people to be seated so my Sony was rendered useless except for it mic for the first 3 minutes of a 10 minute wedding. I was to the left with my xl2 getting some artistic shots at least until the father gave the bride away.
I then went down to the middle isle out of the way of my cannon in the back and tried to get of the officiant talking, I was very careful to stay out of the way of the Sony. I went back to the front and got the groom giving his vows from behind and the to the right of the bride and then the same for the bride and then went back to the middle for the rest of the ceremony.
At the end the bride and groom left to the last 30secs of "its a beautiful day" by U2 which will be the song for their "highlights video". The photographer (my wife) wanted to have more pictures of the bride and groom kissing with the officiant and putting on the rings so this gave me an opportunity to get some good close up of these shots.
There was a small small reception with no dancing so I walked around with my xl2 and interviewed people. The bride and groom did go outside to a swing for a photo shoot so I got some video of them swinging and walking around their yard.

My biggest issue was lighting. I do not know if it would be possible to overcome this with the small space we had.
Also I should have known the camera better. I use a xl1 and a gl2 often but the xl2 is different enough to get me off track.
my hope is to never again use consumer handheld camcorders. I hope to buy 2 cannon gl2 or possible the XH G1, and then rent a xl2 or XH A1 (if i go HD) if the client will pay for 3 cameras.
I am an open source junkie so for editing I am using a very powerful open source VE software called cinelerra. I have used final cut pro before and yes it is better and easier, but cinelerra is really good and I support open source if at all possible.
well I have to do some of my "real" work so i may not have my highlights video up for a while but I will post a link to it here.
I will also have a website up once I get that highlight video ready and design my site.
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2008, 07:35:23 AM »

Welcome to the WVDR Forums!

I replied to this the other day, but my post seems to have disappeared, so I'll try again (though this one will likely be shorter).

I'd think twice about GL-2 cameras for wedding work.  These do not do well in low-light and their sensors are 1/4" vs the 1/3" of Sony VX2100/PD170.

I didn't notice any mention of microphones.  How did you mic this wedding?

At most weddings, the guests do not stand at the end.  That had lulled Jean and I into failing to ask the officiants (at the rehearsals) not to do this. Our last shoot, everyone stood.  That killed Jean's camera, but I had moved to the rear to shoot up the aisle, and our static rear camera was elevated, so I still had those two shots, luckily.

Great post!  Keep them coming.
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2008, 02:18:36 PM »

Well, it definitely sounds like a good starter wedding to get a feel.  Certainly sounds like you need to get some equipment in order before going to the next step.

It's kind of hard to imagine a living room wedding, but I'd imagine space was an issue.  How much editing have you done so far?  Let us know when the highlight is ready.
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2008, 10:57:13 PM »

To Hank:  I will rent a Sony next time to see if i like it, I really liked shooting with the xl2 however. I know it is best to own your own equipment but I don't want to pay several thousand dollars and be stuck with a piece i don't like. About the mic... lets just say that this will not be the one I send in for certification. I feel like i have some good video but but the sound sounds like it is coming from a video camera. the stationary sony that was about 3ft from the Groom will act as my mic.  For paying clients I will have wireless mic equipment and at least 2 3ccd cameras. I am planing on having the mic either going to a sound board (if the facilities has one) or directly to my computer..I haven't really looked into that yet. I will be using Audicty to bring in the sound.
To Damian:
The living room was small, and it was an issue. I have not begun editing because My normal work has overwhelmed me and I was waiting on getting an upgrade to my computer. I ran out of space with my videos. I now have 1tb of space and 6gb of ram so i am good to go for a while. The client does not really want the video until November 1st (that is when they are having their reception).

I ran into a problem the cheap camera that I used to shuttle the video to my computer is not doing well. so I will need to borrow one or buy a cheap one and shuttle it till it dies.  I don't want to pay 1k+ for a tape deck at this time but I don't want to use something that will eat my tapes.. Any Suggestions?
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2008, 11:23:36 PM »

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I don't want to pay 1k+ for a tape deck at this time but I don't want to use something that will eat my tapes.. Any Suggestions?
It's usually a good idea to capture with the same camera that shot.  For one thing, you don't want to run different brands of tapes through any one device. 
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